Pedigree to Disagree
We’re not famous, popular, or looking to push an agenda…we’re just related with a passion for dissecting any topic to discover its roots, why it does, doesn’t, or should matter, or simply because it is interesting to us. But, will the generations that separate this dad (Gingy) and his adult daughter (Jacqui) prove too challenging to find a compromise or at least understand a different side to the story? Listen in as we search for an intergenerational connection to our topic which may get passionate, but never disrespectful or uncivil. Our pedigree may cause us to disagree, but our bond will only get stronger.
Pedigree to Disagree
Navigating the Highs and Lows of Festive Seasons
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Ever wondered why some holidays make our hearts flutter with joy while others drain the energy out of us? Join us on a festive ride as we unravel the essence of holidays month by month, starting from the jubilant New Year’s Day to the spirited Christmas season. We reminisce about the good old days when Lincoln's and Washington’s birthdays were separate celebrations and marvel at the recent additions like Juneteenth and Earth Day. Quirky celebrations like Star Wars Day and the Super Bowl also sneak their way into our lively discussion, making this episode a true celebration of the diverse holidays that color our year.
Halloween and Christmas take center stage as we explore their unique traditions and the emotions they evoke. Halloween’s trick-or-treating adventures bring back fond childhood memories, while Thanksgiving emphasizes gratitude and togetherness. Christmas, with its complex family dynamics and preparation stress, evokes mixed feelings. We share heartwarming stories of community-centric traditions like Halloween parties and Christmas Eve luminaries and reflect on how the meaning of these holidays evolves, especially through the eyes of parents and changing family structures.
In our final chapter, we dive into the evolving significance of holidays in modern society. The tension between family values and commercialism is palpable, especially with the early bombardment of holiday ads. Through personal anecdotes, we discuss the struggle to find genuine meaning amidst societal pressures and the importance of keeping family traditions alive. Reflections on Valentine's Day, Easter, and other holidays highlight the contrast between cherished memories and obligatory celebrations. We wrap up with thoughts on discovering personal meaning in holidays, and a heartfelt thank you to our listeners for embarking on this festive journey with us on "Pedigree to Disagree.
Welcome back to Pedigree to Disagree. I'm Eric Seaborg, along with my daughter, jacqueline Palialanga. Today, on episode three, we decided to switch things up a little bit and do a topic that is fun. I selected the topic Jacqueline was not aware of, so hopefully you'll enjoy this different format of more of an improv style. Thanks for tuning in and listening. So before we get started, I want to shout out to our international listeners hey, I was with somebody last night who listened to our first episode. Really yes. What did they say?
Speaker 2:But she knows both of us. Oh really, but it doesn't matter. It was still cool that she listened to the first episode. Yeah, and I told her we were changing the format up a little bit. So thank you to our listener of one episode so we're not as combative no, so we don't have dueling control of the podcast or whatever. Yeah, it becomes too long and boring for everybody except us right, right, it's just us sitting around having a yak.
Speaker 1:We don't need a yak, okay, so episode three, the change up from two serious topics to a fun topic. And this morning yeah, this morning, when we recorded it, you were surprised. So since it didn't take on the first recording, let's do it again. We're going to talk about holidays. Ooh, yay, yay, holidays. So here we go. Can you name for me all the holidays that you're aware of? Oh, my gosh, even if you don't recognize them All. Right, okay, let's do it by month, because that seems to work. Okay.
Speaker 2:So that might take a long time. So I apologize. All right, so January, I believe we have. January is New Year's. New Year's Day Isn't Boxing Day, maybe in January.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it is, and we apologize to our Canadian listeners.
Speaker 2:Martin Luther King.
Speaker 1:Correct.
Speaker 2:So February Valentine's Day, I think is the first one I can think of in February.
Speaker 1:And then President's Day. Right which used to be in my generation. Lincoln and George Washington had their own.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I remember growing up. It would be like you'd get the Friday off before and the Monday off after, and they were each supposed to represent each of their birthdays. Right, and now we just get one day.
Speaker 2:But here's the weird part in New York State, we get this February break, which I guess we considered a holiday from school slash work and within that week off we have President's Day. I'm remembering that there was one the Lunar New Year or something and I don't really know what that is, but it's like a random Wednesday and I feel like we get off in January for it. And I might be wrong, but I feel like it was a Wednesday and it's a Lunar New Year.
Speaker 1:And you get a day off for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's weird because, if I'm remembering that it was January, the last week in January is usually midterms and finals for like high school, so it's like a weird schedule anyway, wow. So it feels like a quasi holiday if you're not in a final or a midterm. Anyway, that's not this.
Speaker 1:Boy, my generation, all right. We're not even three months in and my generation is already flipping out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, all right, I think that's all the february ones.
Speaker 1:oh, wait, wait, leap day, I think every four years, aka grandma's birthday yeah, leap year yeah, but leap day is I think I didn't know, that was a thing, I just you know even though your mom's literally born on that day yeah, but I mean they chucked that in there into the calendar, but I didn't think it was like yay holiday.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, again birthdays are celebrations to me, not holidays. Right, so then all right. So let's go to March, st Patrick's Day, the one I'm predominantly thinking of. In March, they usually throw like a professional development day in there Easter, be it March or April. I forgot about this one before, but I will say it now because I think it's important is Earth Day, and when is that?
Speaker 2:April 22nd, so it yeah, 420, that one may, the 4th that we like to always talk about. May, the 4th star wars day, um, in our in our school I was like now you're just getting ridiculous oh okay, no, I'm kidding. Um then, cinco de mayo cinco de mayo, that's really days we get off from school, but you know right wait, because if we're thinking about days that people celebrate, how about the super bowl sunday and back in february?
Speaker 1:right, yeah, but again let's keep it.
Speaker 2:The all right. Well, keep moving forward. That's what you said. Don't look back, all right. So february, I mean no, we're not in February, we're in May, memorial Day.
Speaker 1:Memorial Day.
Speaker 2:Yep, and then Mother's Day.
Speaker 1:Mother's Day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's like, I think, the second Sunday in May, I think.
Speaker 1:And then June is Father's Day. Are we in the June now?
Speaker 2:All right, I guess we're in June now. Yep, june Father's Day, that's the third Sunday in Juneune. I think there's flag day in june, oh, flag day? I think yeah I, like I said, I'm not sure I feel like this lunar new year. One was new this year, but just a couple years ago they started giving us the day off juneteenth to get that day off, but it's right near the end of the school year. Like we always celebrate the last day of school, so it feels like a holiday too okay all right, I think.
Speaker 2:And we got flag day right. You got that one, okay, july independence day right bastille day is july 14th right august. Oh wait, wait in june. Isn't that like the summer, summer solstice, yeah uh, august, I don't, I don't really know, I don't know anything in august there might be, but I don't. I can't think of what our listeners can write in and let us know, um.
Speaker 2:And then september. We have labor day, aka you like sometimes my birthday, which my mom literally went in labor on Labor Day. I just like to share that, so right, oh no, I forgot, there's two Jewish holidays in September which my current school does not put on their calendar for like days off, but I know I've had them as days off in other schools, or if you celebrated this holiday you could take the day off and it wouldn't like count against you or anything. Okay, which is Rosh Hashanah, which I believe is the Jewish new year, and then Yom Kippur, which is, I know, more holy holiday, but I don't really know the extent of that October. Is that where we are?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, soober, we have columbus slash. I think we've been now calling it indigenous people day. And then, uh, we have halloween. Some people I remember growing up some people called the day before halloween moving night or moving day or whatever. Some mischief would be had on the mischief day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what they used to call it generations ago and then november.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm remembering, like I think, the day after Halloween. So November 1st must be Day of the Dead.
Speaker 1:Day of the Dead Right.
Speaker 2:Which I know we don't.
Speaker 1:Is it called Day of the Dead, or is it called All Souls Day or something?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think it could be that, but it's like a similar concept in different cultures, right?
Speaker 2:But, I know we closely associate that, I think, with Mexico, but I think that concept of like, honoring, you know, those who've gone before, is interesting. Oh my gosh, I'm also just remembering how about election day? That's then, you know. So I guess we should also acknowledge primary day whenever that falls, in whatever state you're in. Veterans day, right, that's in November, and then Thanksgivinggiving that thursday, but then we've like named a bunch of days in that week black friday and like tech tuesday or so, I don't know.
Speaker 2:yeah, whatever so yeah, so, all right, we're almost done. December, that might be that boxing day, because I can't remember. I feel like there's something in early december, but then the big one is christ slash, hanukkah, kwanzaa, and they all fall in December, generally surround the winter break for school, and then, yeah, the New Year's, you know.
Speaker 1:And now some of these I just pulled up. This is interesting the Hallmark Holidays built out of commercialism. So I pulled up this list. You'll find this interesting. Okay, I just pulled it up because I thought I want to see what's on here. So February 2nd, Groundhog Day.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I forgot Groundhog Day.
Speaker 1:But it's not. But it's not, you know, a recognized holiday, it's a Hallmark holiday.
Speaker 2:It goes back to our we don't. We didn't define holiday we just said right.
Speaker 1:Right. So if we define it by what days off, and then you know. And that's why, when I said major holidays, I should have clarified that and say what holidays are recognized by the government Groundhog Day and Valentine's Day In March, you only got one, st Patrick's Day. In April you have April Fool's. April 15th is Patriots Day, or Revolutionary War Day, or Tax Day, patriots.
Speaker 2:Day or.
Speaker 1:Revolutionary War Day or Tax Day? Yeah, I've never heard of Revolutionary or Patriots Day, have you? No? No, now they list Earth Day as a hallmark holiday. They have that on April 22nd, yeah that's what he said. Here's another one, Arbor Day.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, when is that it?
Speaker 1:says April 24th to the 30th. It's a floating Friday, so it's whenever that Friday is Okay. May 1st is May Day, oh, like, if you do the May poll, you know what. I don't really know what that meant. May Day, I guess. I guess I mean it goes. I think that goes back.
Speaker 2:But it has to do with, like, celebrating spring season, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then you got Cinco de Mayo, of course, mother's Day, flag Day. You said no-transcript.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that that was a day that probably celebrates her birthday or something right.
Speaker 1:I guess, yeah, father's Day. This one Jan would know she would have picked this out. July 24th is Pioneer Day.
Speaker 2:So Jan is my stepmom Right and August 26th.
Speaker 1:Here's the only one in August Women's Equality Day.
Speaker 2:Oh, there's our women's equality. I think that was when. Was that when that that amendment was ratified for the right to vote?
Speaker 1:It's got to be yeah.
Speaker 2:I would think I feel like I remember them talking about that last week or so.
Speaker 1:And I would think that that would be a little bit more recognized, not like lumped in with all the Hallmark. But anyway, that's just me. Here's one September 11th, patriot day well, when was patriot day?
Speaker 2:wasn't there a patriot day in april?
Speaker 1:patriot, patriots day or revolutionary war day, april 15th, so hallmark is difference of an s and a no s yeah, hallmark's banking on two of them, I guess so okay, did they recognize?
Speaker 2:sorry, did they recognize independence day?
Speaker 1:well, these are. I just got the hallmark list.
Speaker 2:Right so, but like was fourth of july, independence day, one of them no, because it's not a hallmark holiday okay, well, that's, I was just asking because we went from june to august and so I was confused by that.
Speaker 1:So, right, yeah I'm just going through the ones that are listed on, okay, all right, uh, september 17th, constitution or citizenship day okay, um, here you go various days in october october fest okay, yeah, um, october 1st, world vegetarian day. The 31st is halloween, so that's a Hallmark. Considered Hallmark election day. You said Black Friday, we're in November, and now they list Cyber Monday.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right. And then this one Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, december 7th.
Speaker 2:December 7th. I was wondering, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then New Year's Eve. Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2:Because your first question to me was Can I ask you a question? Because your first question to me was could I list all the holidays that I know?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:How many of the ones on the list that I gave you were ones that you would have thought about like that would have been on your list.
Speaker 1:It's probably easier for me to think of the ones that I did not know. I didn't know the lunar one at all, and it still surprises me that that's a day off. I think that President's Day. All the ones you said. Maybe I wouldn't have remembered to say them, but I recognize them Now, with that under our belt, and here we go again. What would you consider to be the?
Speaker 2:major holidays in the United States. I know in my house Halloween is a very big one for us. I think why that holiday is so important in our house is I have fond memories of that holiday growing up in Baltimore because I didn't realize how unique it was that there's so many like townhouses or row homes like even like we lived in suburban Baltimore in Baltimore County, or row homes like even like we lived in suburban Baltimore in Baltimore County, and you could do so many houses and you'd get a lot of kids at your house. But you'd also go to a lot of houses you know and do that, and so that was really fun growing up. I think about when I was married, my husband at the time he grew up in rural California and his parents. The way they would do it because they wouldn't get trick-or-treaters is they would give him $20 and he could go buy $20 worth of candy at the store. Trick-or-treating thing was like a new experience for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, different, different thing. What other holidays?
Speaker 2:I would say that we enjoy Thanksgiving in this house now because we've really been trying to think a lot more about being thankful. For me, as a kid, sometimes holidays were hard because of my parents being divorced, so they'd have to like split the time and it became stressful, and a lot of times I have stress when I think about certain holidays, a lot of the major holidays that we were talking about. But I think that may be why I have a lot of fond Halloween memories, because, number one, you didn't necessarily get the day off, so it wasn't like one where you had to have in the agreement who had who on what day. Necessarily, that piece made some holidays a little bit easier than others.
Speaker 2:I'm also a divorced mother and I would be curious about that for my daughter too, like if holidays are stressful sometimes because she's not sure exactly how that split is, even if you try to be good at it. So I mean there's other ones, but I think that's my my highlight one. What about you? Do you have like one that was very fun for you like?
Speaker 1:growing up, halloween was always good growing up and mom got involved in those things and we did those hokey things like we'd have little parties beforehand where before you went out and trick or treat. And I remember doing dunking for apples.
Speaker 2:I was wondering if you guys did that.
Speaker 1:Dunking for apples I've never done that before, but now you wouldn't do it because you're sticking your face in everybody else's water. It's like double dipping. Now we did that. It was a lot of fun because I remember you would go kind of with a bunch of you could go with a bunch of people and I like Halloween for giving out candy. Now I will say, while you were growing up, halloween was not a fun holiday because I never had you on Halloween and.
Speaker 1:I never got to have you trick-or-treating. It just didn't happen and that's just, unfortunately, the way things rolled. Christmas as a kid you're just receiving, but as a parent it's all. Preparation and enjoyment is not the same. It's still there because we enjoy giving gifts, but nowadays Jan and I don't really exchange gifts on Christmas because we can get each other gifts anytime we want to, and we do. You know Christmas and birthdays are not as special, except you recognize them through other things cards, and you know dinners or something. But Right.
Speaker 2:Well, it makes me think about the question like what is the purpose of a holiday?
Speaker 2:I'm just thinking about the gift piece because I feel like it's become an expectation instead of a way to show how much you enjoy being with somebody, like a symbol of showing your appreciation for someone, like your appreciation for your children. So if the gift thing has no has lost the enjoyment, my feeling is, can I just give a gift? When I moved to give the gift to somebody, I think I like certain holidays where I have fond memories of like a sense of community, either within my family or within my neighborhood. There's not a lot of times that I'm interacting with my neighbors in substantial ways but I will say in this village, like Halloween, is one of those times.
Speaker 2:Christmas was always sort of a mixed feeling for me growing up because switching houses, so I really didn't love Christmas and and I didn't like do a lot with decorations and things or preparations.
Speaker 2:Until Patricia started growing up and you know she said to me because sometime in the last couple years that Mom, the preparations are so fun for Christmas because we get to do things together and it gets us in the Christmas spirit and that feels magical To me. Growing growing up, preparations felt like chores, they didn't feel like a way to get yourself into a magical feeling of a holiday. I think that mindset has changed a little bit. But here on Christmas Eve our neighbor started this before I moved here. But he puts out these luminaries and then we light them at dusk and they're supposed to light Santa's way to come to the houses. But what's nice is on Christmas Eve he'll have like a little party in his garage and people fill the bags and do the luminaries. So that has always been really a nice tradition since we've been up here. So my opinion of Christmas has softened.
Speaker 1:Is there a holiday in particular that you still enjoy as much as you did as a child?
Speaker 2:I think I've always enjoyed the parades and festivities around Independence Day. I remember going to the Towson Parade so I had fond memories, so it's been nice whenever we've gotten to go, and we got to go this past year Thanksgiving. But I also think about how much work it takes to cook Thanksgiving. Be a little more mindful of that as an adult. What about you? Do you have one that's sort of one, or things that through lines from childhood to adulthood?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the one thing about 4th of July and parades and maybe I'm wrong in this perception, but everybody's happy at a parade. I don't think I've ever heard of fights breaking out at a parade or any kind of violence at a parade and there probably has been, but I've never heard of any. And when you think about that, it's kind of remarkable, especially in this day and age where, as we noticed, in the last parade we went to the first, probably 20 floats or whatever you want to call them. We're all political people, right, they're all politicians waving and all. And that's kind of a neat thing because, yeah, I kind of enjoyed it you know I didn't hear any booing, respectful clapping, uh, waving.
Speaker 1:do you think the holidays that everybody knows about or I don't want to say celebrate, because that's unfair to different cultures, but you know the major ones that before you get time off and things like that do you think they're going to become less and less important as far as family value goes? Because it seems like most holidays now are just so taken over by commercialism now anyway, yeah you start so early. I mean look at Christmas ads, start now.
Speaker 2:And well, I feel like we get so, so stuck. One thing I'm always battling in my head is like, is this good enough, you know, compared to what other people are doing? I almost am ashamed to say that out loud, because it really should just be good enough for my family and I have really tried to work on that. But I said to you like growing up I felt like preparations for holidays were like a chore For me, didn't always have a lot of like meaning behind why we prepare for holiday. My daughter has sort of taught me that there's a lot of things we do to prep for Halloween or things that we do to prep for Christmas, and I sometimes get stressed like, oh my gosh, we have to check these things off the list. And she's like no, mom, each one of these things that we do gets us into the spirit of the holiday so that by the time the holiday comes we feel the magic of the holiday. She's of the generation of the elf on the shelf, so maybe like that has forced her to think about preparation more or what. But I feel like she's got. She's got something there. So I keep thinking about like, like I told you, I don't really love Valentine's Day but my mom always did was like every holiday and I think your, your mom, was like excellent at this too.
Speaker 2:Valentine's Day. It is generally considered to be a holiday that originates from Christianity, a feast day to honor the Christian martyr, saint Valentine. It makes me wonder why other feast days of saints were less popular and how did Valentine become associated with love. Of saints were less popular and how did Valentine become associated with love? There are as many as three Saint Valentines that this holiday could be associated with. According to Christian historical records, all three have varying ties with the date, february 14th, which has generally been considered the day that Valentine died. The name Valentine means strong, worthy, powerful. The name Valentine means strong, worthy, powerful.
Speaker 2:There are many accounts as to how this day and this saint became associated with love, but one source says that birds pair up in February in preparation for mating season. So Valentine became associated with love and birds just because there's always like a card or a little like tiny present to say that she appreciates me, even on valentine's day, and I can tell you I forget every one of those. The holidays they that are like not necessarily days off and like doing something special for patricia on those days. So I always tell her I'm like I'm so sorry I'm not up to snuff, you know, on these things. But she doesn't seem to mind. But like I do feel a little guilty because there must've been like a better sense of that.
Speaker 1:I remember growing up and everybody would pass around their Valentine's card.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's true, and and Patricia did enjoy that, and they would make the little Valentine's boxes.
Speaker 1:Now we've got our dog day and our cat day.
Speaker 2:Right. So I guess there's other ways and I do think, like the love of family, like Mother's Day, my child will usually show she appreciates me. All these holidays are days off from work or celebrated in other cultures. Take a second to acknowledge it or observe that it's happening, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to actively participate in every single one of those.
Speaker 2:What are the ones that are the most important for you, the general? You, not just you specifically, dad. But I wonder if that kind of conversation could be had. I mean, we should have that in our family.
Speaker 1:It's fascinating.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Do you have any holidays that you have a negative feeling towards?
Speaker 1:Not necessarily. I mean again, I kind of just go with the flow. Even as a kid, everything was truly a celebration with family or cousins or something like that. So nothing comes to mind, sadly. I guess I would say that Easter being forced to go to church. I do appreciate now the spirituality and the religious element of life, but, like anything, when it's jammed down your throat without explanation, right, you know. Well, we're doing it because our forefathers before us did it, because their forefathers did it, and well, we're doing it because our forefathers before us did it because their forefathers did it, and you know it's not a real conversation about why.
Speaker 1:It's why I hated Sunday so much, not because we went to school the next day, but it was because we had to get up and go to church in the morning, you know. And so I guess, when you time we do. Yeah, when you time it. Yeah, we should when we time in the holidays Easter, I loved hunting for Easter eggs. That was fun, you know, I remember doing that as a kid and it was great.
Speaker 2:I want to say real quick I do enjoy. I had more fond memories of the church aspect so I enjoyed. The sacred component of Easter made a whole lot more sense to me than the secular part, with the Easter bunny and the eggs. Your parents so grandma and grandpa they would do the plastic eggs when we were growing up, you know so, when we would come and then they'd have this big one. So like the time it took to put those little treasures in the eggs and I think about then. That makes me think about Christmas and like one of the big things that grandma always did was like those stockings and they're enormous and they all have our names on them and she wraps them and we used to joke about let's all open this shaped one at the same time because we made all the same thing.
Speaker 2:We joke about it, but I also feel a little bad because, like I don't know that, I was always, I've always been appreciative up to her of the work that she put in to do that. No, you're right, god, to like put the stuff in there, you know, which I think is just a different challenge than the dying of the eggs too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, mom and dad really tried to make the best of the holidays and they're all memorable, even up until they couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it is so different. Now, I'm not going to say it's worse, I'm just going to say it's different.
Speaker 2:We have created a lot of fond memories over the years and I think you have taken a lot of photos and you have created some amazing memories from that, and those things matter in this era, whereas I think maybe when your parents were growing up, unwrapping a gift meant more, because you didn't always get presents all the time.
Speaker 1:It makes me think of the two styles, and we always laugh about this. Do you prefer the everybody go at it like dogs eating food, or the one at a time where it takes all day and the next day to get through opening gifts?
Speaker 2:That's the one I prefer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I prefer. Yeah, I like it now. Would you prefer Tricia carry on certain traditions?
Speaker 2:I feel like she's going to find her meaning as she grows up and has her own family. But I know one that I tried to carry on that my mom did. Christmas Eve I would open one gift, but I knew what it was each year because she started getting me a different Twas the Night Before Christmas book each year. So we probably have 30 or 40. I forget. We counted recently. We'll have to count again when we get to that part of the season, because then I started doing that with Patricia and I think she did that for me up until like my first year of teaching or through my first year of teaching, and she probably started it when I was like maybe five, maybe earlier than that, but I think the earliest one I have is sometime in the 80s, the late 80s there, and did that, and so we have a lot of versions of Twas the Night Before Christmas and that's really neat.
Speaker 2:Each one has a little special message to the person, so I would hope that she continues that one if there's still more versions, or takes ones that we already have and writes a new note in them. So that they kind of see the history. I'm wondering if that might be a thing when we can't find new versions of yeah, the traditions, I think, are what really makes us remember the good things.
Speaker 1:Like you talked about mom with the stockings and yeah, you know we would make fun of it, but we always looked forward to it and it it always had a certain type of flavor to it. The stocking itself weighed a ton. She would jam it full of everything it's big.
Speaker 1:It was not like the those little like sock ones, no, it was big and she jammed the stuff in there and, of course, everything was wrapped even if it was the size of your thumb, right, right and sometimes you'd open it up and say where in the the hell did you get this? Yeah, right, exactly. It's like did you go to China and go to like a little shop in China to buy this?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of amazing there was a creativity in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of fun. She did a great job with that.
Speaker 1:All right, thanks All right, take care, we'll talk soon, love you, love you, bye. Bye.
Speaker 2:What I have taken away from this discussion on holidays is that I need to find my meaning in the holiday in order to value the work that goes into the day of the celebration. I think maybe there should be a stronger distinction between a holiday and an observance, which I take to mean as a day where I recognize a significant person or event or I acknowledge that someone else may hold this day in high importance. On behalf of my father, I would like to thank you for listening to Pedigree to Disagree. We hope you will catch us next time. Thank you.
